#88 - From Trachtenjakke to Ski Pants: Making what you need AND want

Autumn's gentle embrace brings both warmth and wistfulness, a duality that mirrors the journey through age and identity. As the leaves change, so too does our perspective on self-image and creativity. Join me as I share my personal reflections on maintaining authenticity while confronting societal norms. From reconsidering bold hair colors of my younger days to finding solace in knitting and spinning, discover how embracing change is an art in itself. The cozy melancholy of the season isn't just a backdrop; it's a catalyst for reevaluating how we express our true selves and connect with others who share our vision.

Ever thought of taking fashion into your own hands, literally? With Caroline's expert guidance, I ventured into the exhilarating world of sewing to craft my ski wear collection. This isn’t just about making clothes; it's a rebellion against fashion industry norms. Picture ski pants with striking pink accents, crafted from repurposed treasures like a yellow raincoat, and plans for a jacket that speaks volumes in leopard-butterfly print. It's a celebration of sustainability and personal empowerment, proving that the joy of creation is often found in the details of what we make for ourselves.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Self-Reflection on Age and Creativity
• 21:32 Creating DIY Ski Wear Collection
• 34:39 Exploring Fiber Arts and Spinning
• 45:42 Supporting the Podcast Community

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Hi, how are you? Are you experiencing lovely autumn slash fall weather? I love the sunlight this time of year, I love absolutely everything about autumn and it's just so cozy. And although I've said for a long time that it doesn't affect my mood, the last couple of years that has changed a little, with the difference that when I was younger I would call that being melancholic, and it fits the mood of the season. Now that I'm a little bit older, I can get a little bit down. That seems to happen, and I really have to beware that I go to bed at a right time, drink enough water, get enough movement, aka exercise. And that is kind of where I'm at.

Speaker 1: 0:56

And I just wanted to come in because I had recorded an episode and I have been struggling to fix it. Part of it is gone and I cannot bring myself to re record the whole thing, and I think that is what I mean when I talk about being a little less energetic. Yeah, so I've been struggling to really get some hardcore work in lately. Honestly, I've been crafting a lot, to be honest, because it felt like that was what I needed most. And just knitting, spinning, a little bit of weaving yeah, that's what I've been doing and I just cannot get myself to rerecord the episode. So I decided what the heck? I'm just gonna chat with you and make this one a shorter episode and just talk about what's going on, what I've been doing, and be a little bit more chilled out, and then perhaps in two weeks, who knows where my energy, mental happiness level is at that point. Luckily, I can still laugh about it all. Luckily, I can still laugh about it all. So this is definitely super unscripted. I'm just sitting in front of my computer with my headphones on and my mic in front of my snout and also recording video because I've been trying to get myself to post on YouTube. But this is also connected to that mood, I think. Whereas how long is that ago, like eight years ago or something I would have absolutely no problem videoing myself and sharing it. But it's getting harder and harder and I don't think it's an ego thing.

Speaker 1: 3:06

I've recently turned 49. And although I do have some feelings about my age and how that looks on me, I don't think I really struggle with aging and things like that in terms of having really low feelings about what I look like. I definitely have to do some work around accepting some things. I used to have super acne when I was a teenager acne when I was a teenager and one of the things that annoyed me about that most is that my skin didn't look one tone. Even when that got better, I still had some blotchy what's the word blotchy spots, and it wasn't an even tone. But I also never really used a whole lot of makeup to like quiet that down. And now that I'm becoming older, I am getting darker spots in my face and that is something that I look at every day in the mirror and I'm not sure about it. On one hand, I feel like it's just part of what's going on and I'm all about the natural cycle of things, but the other side of me goes like oh, I kind of want to cover that up, and so sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. So that's definitely something that is new and that is affecting a little bit how I feel about showing up on a camera. I also feel like I don't really look like me. Okay, this is going to be very philosophical and I'll try to keep it short, but if you feel the same, let me know. That could help.

Speaker 1: 5:14

So what's going on is that I always identified when I was younger as alternative a little bit punk maybe. As alternative a little bit punk maybe I was always windsurfing, snowboarding, that kind of a thing and my hair was pink for a long time and then it was pink. It wasn't pink anymore and then I re-dyed it pink when I was in my 30s I think late 30s and I really felt like me again. But for some reason I have an issue with dyeing it pink again at this age Because a part of me feels like fuck this, it's my life, this is who I am, nothing has changed. Like fuck this, it's my life, this is who I am, nothing has changed. And a part of me goes like oh, that will just look like I'm trying too hard to stay young or something, instead of stay me. And it's the same when you think about wearing certain type of shoes that connects to this image, let's say, black conference all-stars or vans or dr martin's none of this is sponsored. Am I? I don't really feel like myself. Is that just because I'm totally in menopause and I'm just hormoning all over the place? Or is it because I'm letting go of those things because I think that they don't fit my age and therefore I don't feel like me. These are things that I'm thinking about. I wouldn't say struggle, perhaps a little bit. And then there's this whole thing of me wanting to create a wardrobe that is very much me and very much very consciously chosen, picked, made, designed. All of that. This is actually what the episode was about. That I had recorded earlier, so I'll just tap into it just in case that I'm able to salvage the whole thing.

Speaker 1: 7:46

Lately I've been really I'm always saying to myself I should be more honest, more open and just voice my opinions, my actual opinions, because then if you agree with me, you're my person, if you don't, that's okay and you just don't. That will work as some sort of filter and that's the way to go, because if I speak in vanilla terms, that's not who I am and then I'm probably not reaching my crowd. If you know what I mean, I'm probably not reaching my crowd if you know what I mean. But it's also kind of complicated to really say what you mean, because, yeah, I don't know. Perhaps I look at content creators that do voice their opinion and I think, well, that's a little black and white, a little harsh, and I have opinions about that, but then I do respect them for doing that. So, yeah, let's just say, okay, let's go back.

Speaker 1: 8:55

And I've been I think the word is shocked quickly followed by a little bit annoyed by the fact that so many people in the knitting, spinning, weaving, fiber arts and crafts world have so many skills and they continue and I'm super generalizing here. I am super generalizing and they continue to buy and make what they want instead of what they need. And I'm realizing that I've been on this journey for years now and it's not been. It's not like super easy. It takes a lot of time now and it's not been. It's not like super easy. It takes a lot of time, effort, choices, deciding, letting go of things, all of that. But I'm so a little disappointed. I think, honestly, that people like myself do not choose to make what they need and they choose to make the next thing that is hot on Ravelry right now or on Instagram or whatever.

Speaker 1: 11:45

And I believe you can do both. You can do both, and why should you? You might ask, and it would be nice if you didn't have to ask, but you might and then my answer would be well, the fashion industry sucks and we all know it, and we are the group of people that can, without that much effort, can start today flipping their life around and their choices and doing it differently. Instead, what I'm seeing is that not enough people decide to stop buying fast fashion and making more of what they need, even when they have the skills and the stash and the time. Shawl. You can also make a t-shirt or socks, and I do get it.

Speaker 1: 12:51

If you are in this crafting world and you get this high from certain materials, certain designs, and you go like I'm just not a sock knitter or I don't wear wool socks, perhaps because you don't have them, I get that, but we need to make a change. It is so important that things change and I do believe that change happens really slowly on a personal level and it happens much faster on a business level, but still, we can make our own things. We actually love to make our own things. The only thing we need to do is to go over to our wardrobe and check out what we need and then start the whole process that we are used to, but focus only on the thing that we need. So this is what's been on my mind and hopefully I'll get the other episode out as well, but I'll focus now on how I deal with that and I'll try to be super, super honest with you, because I don't believe in being critical about other people without being critical about yourself. So I hope that helps and you'll forgive me for my little rant there.

Speaker 1: 14:31

I've been making a bunch of stuff. Let me think so I'm the kind of person that can go and wants to go on winter holidays. In the Netherlands we don't have mountains, so we have to go to another country. We drive to Austria and during Christmas we spend a week there with our family and friends and we eat lots of good food, drink lots of fun drinks and we have a great time and we do some skiing. Not a lot for me. I used to be a snowboarder and as a child I did a lot of skiing and I was very sporty. But I've always been the type of person that when the weather is not great or when I'm tired, I will just cut myself slack. I don't have to prove anything, I just want to have fun. I'm that kind of a skier, so I'm skiing, having fun. I'm very lucky that I can go on a winter holiday holiday In that thing.

Speaker 1: 15:51

I'm fat and apparently fat skiers don't exist and there's not a lot of fat skiers out there actually, and I wonder if that's because they cannot find their outfits or shoes to fit or all of those things. Because my God, that is horrific. It is really. Every year is an attack on my self-worth and it's a struggle, and I don't think a lot of people know what that feels like, except if you're a fat skier or, for that matter, any fatlete any sport that you do where it's hard to find specific outfits and tools and they just don't make it for your size, because apparently fat people don't do that or have budget to buy stuff. And every year when I come back, I think about starting my own brand and I'm so fed up with it and I want to send emails to all the brands and, yeah, it's great, a week holiday and you return frustrated and stressed no, I'm also rested and all of that, but it's a returning frustration.

Speaker 1: 16:59

So I managed to buy an outfit last year from a German brand and I bought it through the German website because fat skiers in the Netherlands that we don't have mountains, so that was just not. That was undoable. So I went to Germany online not really and I got myself an outfit and it was either the sizes were either too small or too big and there was nothing in between, and I went with the big one and it just kind of fell off my bum and I just didn't feel good at it. And I've been used to buying clothes that I don't feel good in, which is super sad, but it's the truth. I remember, even as a teenager or in my 20s, going into stores and being so excited that they had a large size section, and then just anything that would fit I would get, and I wouldn't even think about how it would fit or if it was even my style, or let alone like going to 2024, where I have opinions on how things are made, what kind of material, who made it? Like the whole thing. And so now I've wiggled myself into a corner that is super complex.

Speaker 1: 18:31

So fat skier needs an outfit that she feels good in and that is also as sustainable as she can get it. Well, that's a problem, because the one that I bought, like all the ski wear, is plastic. So, honestly, I went to the place in my head where I thought well, in the olden days it wasn't plastic, it was wool. Can I just make like a wool set of pants and a wool sweater and just do it that way, and I really looked into it but I decided against it. And for let me answer why. Why did I decide against it? Not necessarily the sweater, because I think that a good tight knit wool sweater, layered, is great and will do a great job. I think you'll need something to keep the wind out like a layer of, but they didn't have that before. So layering wool and tight knits would work. But for pants like they would have to be felt pants and I managed to. I have some felt. But like I'm hardcore with wool, I can wear lopey Icelandic wool on bare skin and I can deal with that, even though that my skin reacts to it. I can deal with it. I'm just powerful that way. But the thought of having that on my legs, yeah, that didn't really excite me and that would mean that I have to wear more layers under there as well. I just didn't see it happening practically and I thought my skill level is not good enough to figure out how that would even work, perhaps in the future.

Speaker 1: 20:33

So back to this is turning into Saskia Skipent's episode, which is kind of weird, but it's a good example of how I process these things. So I have this outfit which is too large. It's beige with bright neon orange, which is in theory kind of a cool color combo, but in practice I kind of look I'm not going to talk about myself in that way I don't look good, I have to say I don't. And not looking good is one thing, but not feeling good, that's the next thing, and I don't want to feel uncomfortable about myself all day. So it's not really sustainable to then start to make your own outfit. But there's limits to all the things. I just don't want to feel later on.

Speaker 1: 21:32

But for now I just wanted to also learn the skills to make my own pants and kind of have a big, big finger to the industry and just going nobody in the industry is going to know, but I will. I will just flip the bird to them and say, fuck you, I can make my own ski pants. And so I started doing that and they're coming along quite nicely. My sewing teacher, caroline, is helping me with it. I'm basically just doing what she says and trying to remember. But that is really hard. I'm not even sure if I can duplicate it. I'm trying to remember, to take notes and then hopefully the notes will help me to remember what I did. So it's going well.

Speaker 1: 22:39

It's a black fabric and, yeah, it is definitely going to have to last a long time, so I made it quite neutral. It's black and it has bright pink piping in a V shape on the lower back, upper butt, I would say, with hidden zips, and for now that's the only bright thing about it. But I have a yellow raincoat from my daughter which is way too small and it has silver stars on it and nobody wants it because the size is too large for the design. The design is more of a kid thing and the size is more of a early teen thing, and so nobody wanted it and I didn't want to throw it out. So I'm going to turn that raincoat into the snow catchers that go around your boots, and so underneath the black will be bright yellow, silver Star snow catchers made from a raincoat. I thought that was circular, that was good. Well, not circular, it's not going to go back into the soil, but at least I've reused that one for something else and it's going to last for, hopefully, some years to come. So I'm not done.

Speaker 1: 24:05

I've got the legs stitched together. I took out some fabric in the back of the knee and I have some folded fabric where the knee is so that it essentially sits in a bent shape. Always, that's not the word I'm looking for, but it's kind of bent, so it's made to move in and what else? I'm not doing pockets on the front, so that's going to be simple. It has a large flap over the zipper on the front to protect it from snow coming in and stuff, because I don't have all those fancy water protected zippers. It's just basic zippers and then flaps over them. I'm also going to make a triangle part on the back and I'm going to make straps that go over my shoulders so that they keep up the pants. Yeah, I don't know what that's called at this moment and I'll listen to this again and I'll go and I'll immediately know what it is. Anyway, you can say it out loud and I'll pretend that I hear it Suspenders, suspenders. So yeah, that's going to happen. And then I have some fabric that's a little bit less basic, but this will make me feel really good because it's for the jacket.

Speaker 1: 25:34

I thought about doing the tight knit sweater and that was the idea at first, but then I decided against it because lack of time, I didn't have the right yarn, didn't want to buy more yarn, although I did buy the fabric for this jacket and so I already bought that. I've got the same kind of fabric. It's basically soft shell fabric, so it's windproof and it's also waterproof although I think if you fall into a pond you'll definitely get wet and it has like a fleece type of inside and a smooth outside. So I got black for the pants and then I got it's kind of a. I'm looking at it right now. It's kind of a mix between a panther print panther, no, a leopard print and a butterfly wings. Weirdly it has black, brown, a little bit of sage green and some spots of bright pink, hence the piping and yellow, more of an ochery yellow. So I'll probably be also knitting a cowl that matches with that.

Speaker 1: 27:21

I'm didn't use a pattern for the pants. I used my own block pattern, for I did a course on writing my own patterns for pants and two types of skirts and a top. My aim is to always use those patterns as a base for everything I do, because this way I'll learn much faster and I won't have to change the patterns to match my body, because I already have patterns that match my body, so that makes it much more sense, if you know what I mean. But for the, what is it? It's an anorak. You put it over your head and it doesn't fully open, kind of the snowboarder type style. I thought that's going to be wide anyway, so that's going to be good. I can use that and not have to fully design a whole thing. Yeah, it's Merchant and Mills, the Landgate. That's the pattern that I'm using. If you want to look that up, I'm going to keep it simple because the pattern is quite wild, literally, and I'm really looking forward to that. I hope I'll finish it all in time. I think the pants will be fine.

Speaker 1: 28:52

The jacket I'm not fully sure, but they have to be done because the other jacket that I have really doesn't match with the pant. So, as you can see through this process, there's a lot of thinking involved, but this definitely wasn't my most circular, sustainable choice. It was the best choice that I made for me. It was the best choice that I made for me. I think it was the best choice for me and the most important is that I'm so happy with this that I'll be using that for years. I typically use my sporting gear until it falls apart. So I don't change that around a lot, and that's just because it's always been so hard for me to find stuff, so I'm used to using it for a long time. I remember it must have been around 1920, I bought a snowboard jacket from the brand Burton and it was so expensive. I still cannot believe that that that was such an expensive jacket, but I think I wore it for at least a decade until it didn't fit anymore. It was so well made. The quality was amazing.

Speaker 1: 30:15

For any of the, if you're a Friends fan, phoebe is wearing the exact same jacket in the episode where they drive out with the cab somewhere, and it's a bright green jacket with white stripes on the side. And I loved it Also because at the time, also because at the time it was just really important for me to be seen as a snowboarder and because I was. But yeah, it was just part of who I was, my identity, and I loved that jacket so much. So, yeah, I'll use it for a long, long time. I don't know if, when I'm getting rid of it, how will I do it, will I by then know more about how to consciously do that instead of just throwing it in the trash, but I'll guess that's what will happen in the end to it because I cannot compost it or anything to it because I cannot compost it or anything Not saying that I compost my clothes right now, but I'm really thinking about these things a lot. What else can I say? Yeah, it's. I think what's important is that you find a way that works for you. One of the big points that I made in the last episode that might be lost is that I'm making these ski pants right now and they will last me for so long, so I don't have to make ski pants for a long time now. And that's the same with everything.

Speaker 1: 31:55

Making your own wardrobe is not waking up one day throwing out everything that you have and growing your own flax and cotton and getting some sheep. That's not it. You have a whole wardrobe, probably super full of stuff, and then when you decide I want to do things better, then that wardrobe will go and grow with you as you go. So some things will go and a lot of things will stay until they need replacement, and so you don't have to be constantly making stuff. It's just the things that you need. And if you do a wardrobe check every start of the season, or even just the warm and the colder season, depending on where you live, you'll know what's coming and what you'll need and you'll have. If you're a crafter and I know you are you'll have time to make it. So time is not the thing. You'll have the materials or the budget because you are already doing that. So why not refocus and just focus on what's the next thing that you need that you might have bought in the shop, and if you don't have the skills to make that, then that could be another fun thing to do. So I started taking sewing lessons, but we all know that everything is. You can find everything online, and most of the things you can find for free as well, so paying for it just makes it go faster. So, yeah, that's been on my mind.

Speaker 1: 33:39

Let's talk about the other things that I'm making and doing. I've registered for the Landelijke Spinngrup, which translates to the National Spinning. It's not a guild, but National Spinning Group. They have a get-together together every year and that is coming up in the next weekend and it's basically a bunch of spinsters sitting in a big room and spinning and there's a bunch of people that sell materials and tools and there's going to be some talks, there's going to be some workshops, there's going to be a lottery, and I think it's going to be some talks, there's going to be some workshops, there's going to be a lottery, and I think it's going to be fun. I don't know anybody there, except for Lisette from Schapendrack, who's going to also be selling stuff there, but I am just yeeting myself into that group and just see what happens. I'll probably meet some people that I already know.

Speaker 1: 34:40

But, um, that's going to be exciting and I'm quite nervous. Honestly, I'm super nervous. I um, I'm not a fantastic spinner and I don't need to be to to be part of that group. Um, but I've tried a whole bunch of different things and, as you know, I recently learned how to spin flax and turn it into linen. I now realize that I have four different ways that I can spin. Bought an e-spinner on Markplatz marketplace a while ago, which is super convenient to bring, but funnily enough, I'm going to take my Magikraft Susie Pro that I have. I'll probably bring her wheel and I have a bunch of spindles and my tiny Turkish spindle. So I'll probably bring my tiny Turkish spindle and my Suzy Pro and I'm going to go there and see what's up.

Speaker 1: 35:53

So for me, spinning has mostly been in the beginning it was about learning a new craft and enjoying it and learning more about fiber and how yarns work and all of that. And then in my conscious journey of wardrobe making, I thought the best place that spinning can have within that is making socks or making sock yarn, because I love the bright colored fleeces that you can get or tops or comb tops, but I will probably never spin that into yarn to make a sweater from, because that's just not the kind of style that I usually would wear. But I love bright socks and I also think it's totally doable in terms of amount. It is asking me to learn enough to be able to spin thin yarn that I can three ply and then have a sock weight. Three ply and then have a sock weight, and I just reached that level. So that's where I am right now. And then there's a lot of different fibers that I can try out to see what works in terms of natural fibers that are not plastic, so like mix it with plant fibers or silk or yeah, things like that. So I'm excited about doing more spinning sock yarn, but perhaps I will have my eyes open and see what other fibers they have and what tickles my fancy, which I will immediately talk strict to myself and call myself back and say, no, no, there's no tickling fancies. You'll have to think about what you need first.

Speaker 1: 37:45

So what I need is not much. Honestly, I already have all the tools, except for one tiny tool that I'll talk about in a second. I don't have that much spinning fiber. Honestly, the fiber that I have has been used as learning fiber to learn how to get where I want to be, which obviously resulted in yarn, but not the yarn that I need it to be. Most of it is more suitable for hats and cowls and stuff like that, and I do think that hand-spun yarn makes great gifts for knitters. So some of those are on the gift pile.

Speaker 1: 38:32

I do have enough sock yarn for a while, so, yeah, I don't really need to do that. I do use spinning as a calming tool. I spin when my mind is too wild to knit, to count, to pay attention. So there's going to be some spinning. So I might as well focus on sock fibers, because it's not a lot and that's what I'm learning to do well. So some sock fibers will probably go with me, and the small tool that I don't have is a Diz.

Speaker 1: 39:16

It looks like a button with some holes in it and you pull the fiber through the holes from a bat, if I understand correctly, to turn it into roving, and then you can spin from the roving. I have a carder, I have carder combs and a drum carder as well, and from my shop I have quite a lot of Icelandic lopey fibers unspun, but they're really messy, so I have to turn them into bats and pick out all the offcuts Actually more useful for stuffing stuff and for needle felting, I guess, but I'll try and give it a go to card some nice bats and then I want to use a diz for making the roving and these, this yarn that I will spin from. That will match the little bits and bobs that I still have of uh let lopey. I don't have enough anymore, weirdly, to knit a full sweater. They're all different colors and that could work, but I want to make things that I'll actually wear. So, yeah, I'm getting excited to blend some of those fibers into a heathered color that suits my palette, and this is a nice thing to take away from this Landelijke Spindag, so I hope somebody offers it there and that's something I'll be on the lookout for. But mostly I'll be there to connect with other spinners and talk to them about what they make and hopefully inspire them to make something they need and not what they want or need. Not what they want. Make something they need and what they want, because that I think I need to tattoo that somewhere. Um, I actually already did, honestly, but, um, okay, what else did I want to talk about? So the Landlijke Spindach what else am I making?

Speaker 1: 41:28

Oh, I'm knitting along on my husband's Trachtenjacke, which is a cardigan that matches the look of when you wear lederhosen, and he works for a German brand. That's all I can say. They have these get togethers where they actually wear the lederhosen, drink beer and stuff, but it's also when we go skiing. It's what the people in Austria wear a lot, and not just for funsies, it's just what they wear because it's super practical. But it's also what some people wear during Christmas and they dress up and they dress like that and since he has lederhosen, he might as well wear them when he can, and that's about twice a year. And he really wanted a cardigan, one of those Trachten style cardigans that go with that, and it's like endless rows of garter stitch.

Speaker 1: 42:28

I've been working on it for I don't know at least three months and a lot. I've been knitting a lot. It's a lot of work. So I'm thinking of knitting a little pocket so that we can do a track, put a tracker in there, because everything else that I've ever knit him he's well, not everything. He's still got two sweaters, but lots of the smaller things he's lost and I don't want him to lose this because it was a lot of work. So I'll track him with or I'll track the. I don't care where my husband goes, I just want to know where the, where the cardigan is, um. So yeah, that's been there.

Speaker 1: 43:06

I've been finishing some socks that are really high up the calf so I can wear them as ski socks. They're super messy but super fun. They're bright yellow, also with fun colors, but they don't even look alike. They're completely different both of them. But I'm focused on the functionality, not on the perfectionism with those. I'm just gonna wear them because they keep my feet warm, and I think that is it for now. That's what I've been working on. That's why I've been working on those things and focusing on the things that I need or that my husband needs. And, yeah, that's it for now. I hope that the other episode will come back. If not, I've already talked a lot about that topic, so it's fine and we'll move on.

Speaker 1: 44:09

Oh, before I forget, if you go to my website, patternshiftfm, you'll see a pop-up and I've designed a wall calendar for 2025 so that you can organize all your festivals and the Spindage all the things that you want to go to, but also so that you can have an overview of the whole year and that you can pace yourself and take care of yourself and not do too much and immediately see there's too much going on in this month. I need to take a break. Stuff like that. It's completely free. You'll have to take it to your print shop, so you'll have to pay.

Speaker 1: 44:57

If you want it like door size, then it's probably going to cost you around 30 euros, or perhaps you can do it at your job and you can use the smaller ones as well. In fact, you can use them for every project that you're doing, or every. If you're planning your podcast episodes, you can have one for your podcast episodes and you can just keep those small, whatever you like, or use it as a desktop so that you can always see what day it is. I hope you like it and I had fun making it and I thought it would be nice to share something like that with you, just that so that you can take time and take care. All right, bye.

Speaker 1: 45:43

Also, ps, if you want to do more of that, if you want to focus on making the things you need and making them into the things that you want, that's all that kind of stuff is going on on in our community, so you can find the link in the show notes and sign up to be part of a group of people that think about these things and that are all human and we're not perfect, and sometimes we do make the next MCAL from the next designer and it's all okay. But it's a journey and we're on that journey together so we can help each other and learn from each other. So I'd love to have you there. There's a journey and we're on that journey together so we can help each other and learn from each other, so I'd love to have you there. There's a whole bunch of business owners, people that dream of building a business, so there's also lots of information and lots of connections to make when it comes to growing your business in a similar conscious manner. So hopefully you'll become a member, because I kind of really need some new members, because I have to pay for all of this and it is great that things can happen when people come together. So sign up, even if it's just for a month, just to hang out for a month with us, that would be nice.

Speaker 1: 47:05

Yeah, this is Editing Saskia, and I've been listening to this episode and especially this last bit. It's something that I started to think about a little bit. I've always been really careful to ask for help because I've been open to you all. I uh, um, I have everything I need, but I run a business and this business does need the money and it does need the money to, uh, to continue to exist and for me to continue to make these episodes.

Speaker 1: 47:48

Um, members of the community, whether or not you're active, that is the way to support this podcast and I do need that support, um, because, as I said, I need to pay for everything and I also deserve an income because I do all this work and I need it as a reminder that people like what I'm doing, that they get something out of it. So I'm going to ask you to become a member and join us in our Yevil community. If you like, you can also just support the podcast and there's a link in the show notes and then you're just a silent promoter, supporter of the podcast. That can happen as well. I feel awkward about this, but I need to do it. I need to say it out loud that I really could use the support. So please go over to the show notes or to patternshiftfm and find everything you need there, or just contact me through all the different channels. That would be amazing. Thank you so much.